[panhype]

Snickers time! ...
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Miosotis Claribel and her 38K boobies made a major splash went she appeared on Nadine Jansen's site in 2007. Consequently Nadine's webmaster Daktari Lorenz created a personal site for Miosotis about one year ago. Daktari by many is considered as probably the best photographer in the whole industry. And is well known for his STRICTLY SOFTCORE approach: You won't see B/G action on his sites, not even any pink (i think). A few HC models like Terry Nova appeared as guest models though and he shot them in SC style.

Nov26th, 2008 this info appeared on Miosotis' site:

BAD IMPORTANT NEWS!!
Due to severe health problems I cannot continue working for this site for the next 2 months.
I have 2 more photosets and then there will be no update until february.
Let's hope I can continue anyway.

Early 2009 rumors popped up that Miosotis has joined the IncrediblePass/TitsAndPAss Camp and is due to release XXX content. And this photo. Notice her misspelled name:
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Interesting details here: On Nov05th, 2008 TheBossXXX, owner of these sites, posted this nomination on GFY:

Web Babe/Starlet of the Year Miosotis Claribel lol

Notice the "lol"
Also on Nov05th, 2008 the website ClubMiosotis.com was registered.
It should be mentioned as well that there are accusations on lots of places about credit card scam after people joined IncrediblePass or TitsAndAssPass. Basically people were tricked into joining additional sites (worth $100) even if they unchecked the corresponding boxes. Must say these complaints sounded very convincing...

I went to TitsAndAssPAss and noticed this graphic next to the join page
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In the meantime they got her name right Typing ClubMiositis.com or variations will only return a "page not found". In other words: people joining TitsAndAssPass in the hope of seeing Miositis will only see an empty screen

On Jan18th, 2009 Daktari posted this update

MESSAGE from jan 18th, 2009! In october 2008 we invited Miosotis for new shoots for this website. At that time she told us she is severely ill and has heart problems and could not travel in the next 2 months. 1 week ago we discovered that she had been doing hardcore photos for another site in the meantime. Until today we received no reply or explanation from her what this is all about. We will not continue work with her if that hardcore stuff is real and is going online, but before we make a final decision we give her a chance to explain what is going on.

As soon as we have more news, you will get it here.

So first "heart" problems, then MIA, and finally shooting with TheBossXXX. A lot of people are having fun here, in different ways of course.

I personally have some sympathy for Miosotis. Of course she's been given the smell of MORE $$$, more than she makes with Daktari per month. The interest in her first HC scene will be huge, also the sign-ups. Her next HC scenes will meet serious interest as well. But soon the signups will go down. And so her earnings, no matter if she will be paid per shoot or on percentage base (signups), probably 30%. TheBossXXX surely has told her only about the initial peak of her popularity, cause he wanted to sign her the contract. Her current site with Daktari is not part of a network, it's an independent site, so most likely she gets more than 30%. Okay, there's loads of speculation in what i'm saying, but i'm predicting that midterm she will make less $$$.

Say what? I know, most of you just want to see her first HC scene, so who cares anyway?

[panhype]

Surprising. Would have thought that more are interested in Miosotis' recent news

[lazerus]

I missed the thread the first time around. Though she just isn't my cup of Tea, I do like the look into the behind the scenes intrigue. So thank you for posting

[ShortRoundMcfly]

There's some drama brewing with the daktari clan. The last time daktari posted something like that was when he broke up with Bettie Balhaus

[panhype]

Was there 'drama' when Bettie Ballhaus moved on? When did that happen? 5 years ago? I don't have any info about that case - she never interested me that much. ... I'm with Lazarus, i too am not exatly a super fan of Miosotis. And i don't care that much whether there is HC now with her or not. But this story got my attention.

But most likely the "XXX" (whatever that means in the end) is real. And already shot. Because Miosotis-Claribel.com features her strictly non-XXX, the member count definitely will drop, cause she will lose lots of fans who adored her as a glamourous gal. Making the investment into expensive shoots and maintaining the site no longer worthwhile for Daktari. That part looks completely rational for me.

The selling of TheBossXXX models surely goes into a completely different direction: Latina fucks to become a US Citizenship

[admin]

Wow, I overlooked this thread, too.
Thanks for the info and research, Panhype!

It would suck to see her do hardcore, in a way. The softcore approach is way better for her.

And guys like this BossXXX shed a bad light on the whole industry. Those cross-sales are fucked up. But at least customers can initiate a credit card chargeback if they are so badly screwed over.

Oh my...
Hardcore sells better than softcore.
Incredible pass rips off everybody...
He may promise big money, but good luck to the models to every collect it. LOL
Lied to me inorder to get scenes on me..

Although I wish this model much success...
signing on with a webmaster who only shoots softcore and refuses to do hardcore is silly to me to begin with.

Hardcore sells.... I can't think of any softcore sites that make it into the top list of the industry, and I check those list regularly.

After all a porn star is a porn star, why not go for it and make money. Apparently this gal wanted to go for it and her old webmaster was holding her back. Her lying isn't right. But it is apparent that she wanted to move to the next level that softcore will never be able to reach.

Right or wrong, that is my opinion.
Smooches,
Sam
www.Samantha38g.com

[admin]

She should have gone with a more classy act. They gave her a cheap makeup and a slutty look overall. To me, it's definitely not a step upwards in her career. It can only go downhill from now.
I don't understand why she didn't choose a better company for her hardcore debut, like for example Scoreland.

Hardcore might appeal to more people and sell more, but softcore models have more loyal fans.

[panhype]

Originally Posted by Samantha38G

Oh my...
Hardcore sells better than softcore.
Incredible pass rips off everybody...
He may promise big money, but good luck to the models to every collect it. LOL
Lied to me inorder to get scenes on me..

Although I wish this model much success...
signing on with a webmaster who only shoots softcore and refuses to do hardcore is silly to me to begin with.

Hardcore sells.... I can't think of any softcore sites that make it into the top list of the industry, and I check those list regularly.

After all a porn star is a porn star, why not go for it and make money. Apparently this gal wanted to go for it and her old webmaster was holding her back. Her lying isn't right. But it is apparent that she wanted to move to the next level that softcore will never be able to reach.

....

It's certainly true that there's a larger market for hardcore. Or that the biggest sites are hardcore sites. No two opinions about that. On the other hand, when you look at polls for big boobs/bigger models, it's apparently always girls like Nadine Jansen, Milena Velba, Eden Mor or Kerry Marie who win. All softcore girls. Sure, you can say that popularity not necessarily equals with actual sales or revenues. But still i would assume that these girls are making their money, good money.

I mean to say that it all depends on the individual model, on her particular talents, her appeal, whether she will do better the hardcore route, the softcore route, or probably with doing both. But i'm absolutely convinced that a model going strictly the softcore route can make really good money. Also the softcore models usually seem to stay longer in business. Finally they have a stronger fan loyality.

Regarding with Miosotis i'm really sceptic that she will have a bigger bank account after the end of this year, particularly after her poor and unappealing selling by her new producers, compared to the money she could have made with Daktari Lorenz, who runs the sites of Nadine Jansen and Milena Velba as well, for years.

[xbackstabx]

i like her so much if even she continue to do soft core....
and if she'll do some hardcore i think that's not so bad, if she have make this choice^^

[merkurie]

IMHO there's hardcore and then theres Hard Core. The first being explicit sex and the second being low class 70s Times Square grindhouse porno. Sites like the one mentioned above are like clip joints were everybody gets ripped off and treated like a trick.

Mio doing hardcore and making $$ is cool, but there are better ways than being on a site where they describe their models like whores. I guess im a bit old fashioned since I think a person can be as freaky as they want and not be degraded in the process.

[Prince Blaze]

her first hardcore scene is already out there.. it's a threesome with Cherokee

[Warren76]

Originally Posted by Prince Blaze

her first hardcore scene is already out there.. it's a threesome with Cherokee

Yes indeed! You're correct!
For more details what Prince Blaze stated above,
surf on over to read this Chubby Parade message thread.

[Scarlette]

I have yet to do hardcore and well all the best to her for doin git IF that is what she wanted to do. (FYI how the HELL do you pronounce that name anyways..i still think of science class and the miosis process)

[Warren76]

Originally Posted by Scarlette

I have yet to do hardcore and well all the best to her for doin git IF that is what she wanted to do. (FYI how the HELL do you pronounce that name anyways..i still think of science class and the miosis process)

It's pronounced Mee'-oh-soh'-tees.

[Scarlette]

Originally Posted by Warren76

It's pronounced Mee'-oh-soh'-tees.

thank you...always wondered.

Panhype... Softcore making them money... Hmmmmm, then how come several of those names have contacted me privately and hate their contract with that guy and feel stuck...

You are making alot of assumptions.. one even emailed me about the consequences of doing hardcore and how much money she could make.. If they were doing so well with that guy then they would not be putting out feelers. Problems is she is afraid of that particular webmaster/photographer you praise so highly.

Incredible Pass offers black models way more money than the white girls... He probably made her an offer should couldn't refuse... And if it was so great with the softcore and her last webmaster... She would not have left.

And I have to debate that softcore fans are better than hardcore fans... My fans are the greatest.
Those who chose to stay softcore is usually due to a husband or boyfriend... Not due to their morals, if that was the basis. Then they would not be doing porn at all.

If solo sites that are only softcore were doing so well, then why did Faith walk away from hers to do hardcore for Score Group?

I love my fans, and they are the greatest... How dare you insult them for liking hardcore.

Sam

-----Added 23 Feb 2009 at 03:00:08-----

Originally Posted by admin

Wow, I overlooked this thread, too.
Thanks for the info and research, Panhype!

It would suck to see her do hardcore, in a way. The softcore approach is way better for her.

And guys like this BossXXX shed a bad light on the whole industry. Those cross-sales are fucked up. But at least customers can initiate a credit card chargeback if they are so badly screwed over.

That guy trys to screw everybody over, he doesn't discriminate...
Lied to me, but then that is par for the course of adult industry.

Scams fans, Scams models, Scams everybody he comes into contact with...
He will scam this model too.
Already know for a fact, one of the gals on his pass is stuck in a contract she hates and is to afraid of lawsuits to quit him. But he fucked her over, All things said, I warned her.

Sam

[panhype]

Originally Posted by Samantha38G

Panhype... Softcore making them money... Hmmmmm, then how come several of those names have contacted me privately and hate their contract with that guy and feel stuck...

You are making alot of assumptions.. one even emailed me about the consequences of doing hardcore and how much money she could make.. If they were doing so well with that guy then they would not be putting out feelers. Problems is she is afraid of that particular webmaster/photographer you praise so highly.

Incredible Pass offers black models way more money than the white girls... He probably made her an offer should couldn't refuse... And if it was so great with the softcore and her last webmaster... She would not have left.

And I have to debate that softcore fans are better than hardcore fans... My fans are the greatest.
Those who chose to stay softcore is usually due to a husband or boyfriend... Not due to their morals, if that was the basis. Then they would not be doing porn at all.

If solo sites that are only softcore were doing so well, then why did Faith walk away from hers to do hardcore for Score Group?

I love my fans, and they are the greatest... How dare you insult them for liking hardcore.

Sam
...

Samantha,

i only praised Daktari Lorenz as a photographer. Actually many do, pointing out that he's the best. Simply because of the quality of his photos. I don't know anything about how he treats his models. So i wouldn't comment on that.

If i were a model and didn't know much about the business (most models do know much less than you or me), i would be putting out feelers as well. That's normal. Still would be curious about who contacted you Daktari Lorenz has only two models with their own sites, Nadine Jansen and Milena Velba, after counting out Miosotis, whose site certainly is 'done', and Tanya Song, whose site just opened.

If i were running a glamourous softcore site with one model, i too would try to protect my investment. And let the model clearly understand that she can't just go and accept the next best HC offer. We all know that it's always major news when the 1st HC scene of a so far strictly SC model is going to be released. Thus the companies are willing to pay a lot of money for that. Later the interest usually will decrease. That's why i would let the model know that going HC would have consequences. Like her site eventually getting closed.

There are many people like me who like both HC and SC. But the genuine following of a SC model is different to a HC model. A SC lover, since he's not into the action, is much more turned on by the 'personal' appeal of a model. I think that's obvious. Look at a model like Rachel Aldana. All she does is standing around and looking gorgeous. And look how popular she is. She can keep doing that for MANY years to come. Companies would pay crazy sums to get her into HC. And people on the boards like here would go nuts if there were such news. But going HC would ruin her appeal for her SC following. She hardly could go back. And then she had to show what else she can deliver, beyond her looks. If not that much, she wouldn't stay 5 or more years in biz, if she wants so. Something she can do with sure success as a SC model. A HC model usually can't go SC, she can only leave the business.

It all depends on the model though. Kiki Kakuchi, who has done real nasty stuff, indeed could go strictly SC. Terry Nova, who in her still quite young career has shot more HC scenes than other popular models will do in 3 lives, is shooting for a variety of strictly SC sites as well, she worked even with Daktari. And people like it. It all depends on the model.

I don't say that SC fans are "better", or am "insulting" HC fans. I just say that both groups are different. Because their fantasies are different. And because of that, SC fans usually have a longer going 'relationship' with their faves. The long standing popularity of SC models like Nadine Jansen, Milena Melba, Chloe Vevrier, Kerry Marie or Eden Mor is the best proof.

I know that you have such a loyal fanbase as well. But you are a major exception. Because you have much more to offer than just staging hot sex. There are a few more HC models with a very loyal following, that's true as well. But look who gets talked about the whole time, or who usually wins the polls here. The HC biz in general doesn't give the models a chance to develop an appeal like yours, an appeal that people find hot, that they love and admire. It's very difficult for a HC model to show more than just getting used for action, besides giving a glance of her looks.

[Clark_Cunt]

I dont understand why a girl like Miosotis would do hardcore for the IncrediblePass guys. Yeah they get alot of huge titted wonders to fuck for them but their video quality kinda sucks and they make all the girls eat cum.

Girls like Ms. Deja, Sapphire, Christina Milan, just to name a few are on that site eating cum. Which is a great thing to see but why wouldnt they just do hardcore for Scoreland, not have to eat cum and make a well quality video on the best big tits site on the Internet.

Especially if its ur first boy girl scene.

[chemical_man]

I have seen ads for this scene, today I have found a page with a few pics (click here). They boldly state:

Cherokee v. Miosotis
The largest tits v. the largest ass in the world

Has anyone else noticed this? Just then I thought of 10 women off the top of my heat that have much bigger (and nicer) asses than Cherokee who do hardcore (Victoria, Red, Secret, Ms Buttaworth, Elizabeth Rollins, Jesselle, Crystal Clear, Veronica Bottoms, Ateenah, Devious, Sapphire, Peaches Larue).

Originally Posted by Clark_Cunt

I dont understand why a girl like Miosotis would do hardcore for the IncrediblePass guys. Yeah they get alot of huge titted wonders to fuck for them but their video quality kinda sucks and they make all the girls eat cum.

Girls like Ms. Deja, Sapphire, Christina Milan, just to name a few are on that site eating cum. Which is a great thing to see but why wouldnt they just do hardcore for Scoreland, not have to eat cum and make a well quality video on the best big tits site on the Internet.

Especially if its ur first boy girl scene.

Money Honey
Pure and simple.
Incredible pass pays more per scene than other companies do... Score only hires girls like for a few days once every few years... Can't live on that money for the rest of your life....
Girls got bills to pay.
Plus Score Group is all about the new girls who have never been shot, more so than girls who have been. But Porn in general is all about the NEW Model.

Smooches,
Sam

[cubanegro]

Originally Posted by Samantha38G

That guy trys to screw everybody over, he doesn't discriminate...
Lied to me, but then that is par for the course of adult industry.

Scams fans, Scams models, Scams everybody he comes into contact with...
He will scam this model too.
Already know for a fact, one of the gals on his pass is stuck in a contract she hates and is to afraid of lawsuits to quit him. But he fucked her over, All things said, I warned her.

Sam

I have a bad feeling your talking about one of my favorite models in the business. Hopefully it's just that, a bad feeling. Would hate to see her leave for good because of this.

[bigap63]

where can i download the mio cherokee vid

[sam38fan]

http://www.incrediblecontent.com/tgp...MTcxOjM2OjYy,0

[guileheart]

LOL Pron drama. Well she's hot who cares?

[panhype]

When you thought that's been all, the story continues! Today's new message on Miosotis' (old) site:

MESSAGE from mar 19th, 2009! Miosotis decided to make hardcore photos for other websites in the meantime. We are currently discussing with her how or if we continue this website . Please tell us what you would like to see Miosotis doing on photos and in videos.

Must admit this is the last thing i would have expected. But what does it mean? One thing for sure: That IncrediblePass/TheBossXXX doesn't have an exclusive contract with Miosotis, unlike his other models from the Dominican Republic, Kristina Milan and Vanessa Del. Does it even mean that Miosotis decided to already stop her so far short-lived B/G hardcore career and business relationship with teh BossXXX? That's not unlikely - miosotis-claribel.com no longer having her as exclusive model, signups would drop considerably. But why is she considering to go back (eventually)? BossXXX not offering her as much money as Daktari?

We can only speculate... And what does Daktari want to find out with his request for feedback? If Miosotis, after shooting hardcore, is 'burnt' for her softcore fans? Or would he even consider to shoot B/G action himself with Miosotis now? Boy, that would be the first time ever - Daktari is shooting models at least since 2000! Or, Daktari is simply wondering if there would be enough interest in the Miosotis-Claribel site, even if she continued to shoot (hardcore) content for other sites... After all, this story keeps being interesting...

[Jvteam]

Too bad she looks like a horrible lay...but Id love to find out for myself. To me the intrigue to her is gone now now that she does hardcore. Nothing left to the imagination with Miosotis now